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English Karate Update 18th Nov 08
I hear that until recently the Sport England website listed Karate England (formerly KiE) as the Governing Body for karate in England. EKF Chairman Carl Lindley, apparently wrote to Perry Crimmins to protest. Mr. Crimmins informed him that Sport England recognised no group as NGB. The website has since been updated to remove the entry.
I also hear that Wayne Otto has been given the job of National Coach, folowing the recently announced retirement of Ticky Donovan OBE from his long-standing position.
English Karate News 5th Nov
With all the hullabaloo over the WKF championships right now you would be forgiven for thinking that the EKF is the only game in town. An email I received from from Leo Lipinski this week, however reminds us that a significant, credible group of karateka (including Shihan Lipinski) still exists with their own claim on Governing Body status. The email notes that this "Karate England" have met with Perry Crimmins of Sport England and are themselves actively pursuing NGB status.
As welll as significant numbers, this group includes  such luminaries as Andy Sherry and the KUGB, Steve Arneil and his IKO group, Lipinski's JKF Goju / Seiwa organisation, Steve Rowe's Shikon, Abdu Shaher & Vic Charles' British Sport, and FEKO too.
At the same time the EKF people, and their affiliate the BKF have met Lord Moynihan in his capacity as the British rep for the IOC.
The power struggle continues.


7th Sept 08
Just returned from another enjoyable course with Terry Wingrove at Bisham.
Met lots of new and old friends, and learnt how to render them unconscious.
Click on the image, left, for more photos.
Additionally see Alan Platt's gallery for more pics


English Karate News 16th June 08
Just heard the sad news of the apparent suicide of onetime Karate England Chief Exec, Brian Philcox, and the tragic death of his children.
I had some dealings with Brian, both in his capacity as the fundraiser for the "Fighting  for Cancer" cause, but latterly in his political capacity, where I certainly detected some bitterness and unease in the man.
Too early to say too much, but the case has made the national dailys. Read more here:
The Times
The  Mail
The  Telegraph

BBC News


English Karate News 29th Apr 08
Sorry, my post of 17th April got it wrong. According to FEKO, the NNGBEK has applied for, and received Court permission, to rename itself "Karate England". No further reference (nor indeed any other update) appears yet on the karate-hyphen-england / karateinengland website



English Karate News 17th Apr 08
Now the EKF has held its AGM and formally appointed Carl Lindley as Chairman.
Minutes of previous meetings have been published, but the AGM minutes are still not in the public domain.
Both KiE and EKF have held "National Championships" but the KiE website has apparently stalled, with no updates since the beginning of March.
I note that  NAKMAS' logo does not appear on the KiE site, and  there is no reference to KiE (or NNGBEK)  on the new NAKMAS site either. I don't know if that is significant...
Shikon and Steve Rowe have been vocal in their criticism of EKF. The EKF management has taken an extremely hard line with members in their interpretation of the WKF rules regarding "rival" groups. WKF says  its members may not affiliate to other groups. The EKF has interpreted this to mean that its members cannot train, compete or otherwise associate with such dissidents. Shikon are -reasonably in my opinion- critical of this policy, and are pursuing membership of the WKC. Observers on web forums seem to be saying that in other countries it is the National Federations that may not affiliate to WKC/ WUKO etc, but that  associations and individuals within these groups are within reason free to do as they please.
Having said all that, it is still WKF that has the backing of IOC and, apparently the vast majority in terms of membership worldwide (both countries and individual practitioners).
Although I am (subject to the above reservations) supportive of the EKF and its efforts, I am saddened by the continued splits and acrimonies between organisations (but, conversely, encouraged by the camaraderie and open-mindedness of individual karateka).
I'll just keep training. (Looking forward to Patrick McCarthy at the end of the month).


English Karate News Dec 07
Not much to add right now. EKF are bedding down and finalising their constituional issues. Despite only one Bronze at the Junior World Championships, the  EKF squad turned out in number sufficient to impress the WKF, who have granted provisional membership (nothing fishy in that- all new members are given provisional status for a period). I understand that WKF affiliation fees were paid by Terry Wingrove who, I hear is unwell at the moment.
KarateinEngland are meeting with Sport England in mid December, and believe they have a sufficiently high proportion of karateka within their group to merit SE recognition.
Congratulations to Terry Pottage who has been appointed  Chief Referee for EKF (Although the minutes of the first board meeting refer in somewhat disdainful terms to Terry's UKKRO- see the EKF news page for the full published minutes).
There have been noises from some associations, notably Shikon, about the EKF's somewhat strict interpretation of  the WKF's "non conficting affiliation" clause which bars  association with rival groups such as  WUKO & WKC.
The TKGB appear to be settled too and I would be amazed if they ever affiliate to any "National Governing Body" unless compelled to.


EKF Update 8th Oct 2007
The Memoranda and Articles of Assocation are now in the public domain (see www.englishkaratefederation.com ).
No public declaration appears on the KiE site to date although I hear they have continued an active email campaign.
 
Incidentally, the EKF tell me that the reason KiE have concerns over the name of any new body is because of their association with former Directors of Karate England (2005) Ltd. There exist no such restrictions as far as EKF is concerned as former KE Directors are barred by constitution from holding office.


EKF Update Oct 2nd 2007
So the EKF has beaten the KiE to the punch, and been awarded provisional WKF membership. President Espinos stresses that EKF's ability to send a full squad to the World Junior Championships in Turkey will have a bearing on any decision to grant full membership.
The Draft Mem & Arts of the new body have been shown to me. I shall not publish them as they are only in draft form. Doubtless the EKF site will publish them in full in due course.
I note that KiE believes that the use of the name "English" or "England" in the corporate title is considered a dufficulty (presumably due to the risk of any creditors associating the new body with the activities of KE[2005] Ltd).
I also note that the link to KiE's website has been removed from EKF's website front page.


EKF Update 26th Sept 07
I hear from a reliable source that the WKF has written to the EKF informing them that their application for Governning Body status has been accepted.
It is unclear where that puts KSE, who have been  declaring the forthcoming BKF championships to be a selection event for the World Junior and Cadet Championships. The  KSE group have been aligning themselves with KiE to date. Will they change allegiance?


EKF Update 16th Sept 07
The English Karate Federation met in Birmingham today, a few miles down the road from the KiE meeting in Meriden.
Notably absent were any of the KiE / English Karate Alliance people, who had declared their meeting the "unification" meeting. Willie Thomas from Kaizen Central, apparently representing KSE attended, but declined a nomination for election to the EKF board and a representative from UKASKO in attendance declared himself an observer.
Full minutes will appear on the EKF website, but the interim board was elected as follows:
 
Mick Billman
Les Cutting
Terry Daley
Peter Dennis
Mike Dinsdale
Ticky Donovan
John Gilliland
Carl Lindley
Dave Wilson
 
Not a bad selection, but in my opinion weaker for the failure to select Keith Le Bihan. John Gilliland's decision to accept election is to be applauded for the expertise he brings in terms of corporate governance and finance, as is Terry Daley's, for his honest enthusiasm.
 
About the only concrete motion passed was that there would be a per captia charge of £2 plus an initial "joining fee" of £250 per association. Pretty well everything else was left to the interim board, who are to agree a date to meet in the next few weeks.
 
With Mike Dinsdale on the interim board it is expected that WKF recognition will be granted to this body. It is understood that FEKO at least, in the "other group" have nailed their colours to the WUKO mast, effectively disbarring them from WKF membership.
 
Despite the fact that the KiE "unification" meeting was put back to  4.30pm, I was unable to get down to Meriden in time to attend. To date, no minutes have been published , but their agenda suggests they have some form of Sport England buy-in, and I expect to see a declaration of another "Governing Body" in the next few days.


English Karate Update 28th Aug 07
The soap opera continues.
KiE are going ahead with their meeting at Meriden on 16th September at 3pm. Just down the road in Birmingham the EKF are convening at 1pm.
KiE claim that their late start will allow interested parties to attend both meetings. Previous attendees at protracted EKF meetings know this is improbable to say the least.
KiE have issued a statement that they wish to be the NGB. EKF have done the same.
Terry Wingrove has issued an email responding to apparent messages from KiE stating strongly that:
"..this is the ONLY OFFICIAL EKF MEETING." (his capitals)
Furthermore that:
"The EKF Working Group will be in attendance and present their work to the said EKF meeting.
Contrary to some reports received the EKF working group will NOT be attending nor be  represented at, or be in any way connected to any other advertised meeting that day."
 
Sounds like unification is down the pan.
 
I believe that Abdu Shaher's KSE will be at the KiE meeting. It will be interesting to see  at which meeting the  referees' group is represented. I assume that  the "Alliance" will be at KiE, but I'm not sure, with their apparently split from KiE.
 
The plot thickens.


British Karate's 50th Anniversary Budosai at Bisham was a truly splendid affair. A namedropper's  paradise, and a karate historian's paradise. Great venue. Great training, Great atmosphere, fine catering and entertainment. Truly a must for next year. Click here for some pics
English Karate Federation Update 25th July
A winding up order has been served against Karate England (2005)Ltd.
 
NAKMAS & FEKO appear to have fallen out with KUGB/ETKB and formed the "English Karate Alliance".
 
Meanwhile  (somewhat strained) dialogue appears to be continuing between EKF and the "remaining members of the WG" (i.e Andy Sherry, Leo Lipinski et al). So it would appear that some progress is being made.
 
I understand that the M&Rs of EKF have been drawn up and the working group intends to present them at the next Birmingham meeting, then actively pursue WKF (and, although not as a priority, Sport England) recognition.
I shall be at the 50th Anniversary BudoSai at Bisham, and will report back on any on- or off- record opinions.


EKF Update 6th July 2007
Well, negotiations with KiE appear to have broken down irreparably. As I read it KiE continue to lobby Sport England for official recognition as NGB. The combined membership of NAKMAS and KUGB gives them a significant proportion (some claim majority) of practicing karateka.
Meanwhile EKF are continuing  to pursue WKF and SE recognition on their own. They claim they can put together a constitution in time for the necessary WKF requirements for the World Championships in Japan in 2008.
Watch the EKF site for regular updates and comments
They have published a declaration that they will put together a squad and national championships structure


English Karate Federation Update 7th June 07
Although the Birmingham meeting was largely more of the same blah blah, the significant thing to mention was that John Bell came as official representative of KUGB and read a message of support from Bob Poynton & Andy Sherry.
All members were invited to the KiE meeting on 24th June and Tery Wingrove's man, Carl Lindley, has agreed in principle to chair it (subject to his availability).
A "Working Party" of  five people, including John Bell has been appointed. They are charged with producing  draft constitutional / electoral proposals and will be making an interim report on June 24th. The next meeting is pencilled in for September 9th, when their full findings will be published.
A full report with audio will be posted on the EKF site soon.
So far there is no formal agenda for the KiE meeting, but at least there is a dialogue.


English Karate Update 27th May 07
EKF (European Karate Federation) and WKF officer Michael Dinsdale appears to have come to the rescue. On Terry Wingrove's EKF (EnglishKarateFederation.com) he pleaded for an end to the impasse, inviting the disparate groups to meet at the two impending meetings (June 3rd and June 24th). Mike tells me that he has had "positive responses from the other group(s)" which I infer means KarateinEngland and Karate Sport England. Good news indeed. Dinsdale asserts that both the WKF and Sport England will insist on any ruling group representing the vast majority of English karateka. Let's hope this position will galvanise the activists into something positive. Visit this page for news of any progress.


English Karate Update 15th May 07
 
So now I am confused.
Three bodies all appear to be ploughing their own respective furrows.
Traditional Karate Great Britain www.tkgb.org ,headed by one of England's most senior and respected karateka, Harry Cook, 7th dan; The Karate in England group, www.karateengland.org.uk headed by one of England's most senior and respected karateka, Andy Sherry 8th Dan; and the English Karate Federation not headed as such, but facilitated by- you've guessed it- one of England's most senior and respected karateka, Terry Wingrove (recently promoted to 8th dan in Japan).
The TKGB formed after the dissolution of Karate England in wave of disillusionment with old-style politics and looks set to continue independently.
The EKF looked set to to have a clear run as unified Governing Body with a large number of organisations and some of England's finest 5th-8th dan's on board. As noted elsewhere they are scheduled to meet in Birmingham on June 3rd.
Now however the split appears to be as wide as ever, with FEKO, NAKMAS, and Leo Lipinski's JKF group lining up alongside KUGB and lobbying for Sport England recognition. With the KUGB and NAKMAS, they certainly have a claim to represent a significant number of karateka and are calling a meeting in Coventry on June 24th. Unfortunately I cannot make it as it clashes with the AMA nationals, and Terry Wingrove tells me he also has a prior commitmnet. I'll try and get an update from the KiE people, with whom I am in occasional contact.


English Karate Federation update 2nd April 07
A very positive meeting in Birmingham yesterday, attended by some of England's most senior karateka, concluded that the working name for the nascent governing body would be "English Karate Federation", and we would continue to pursue membership of WKF (cogniscent of their rule that rival "world bodies", such as WUKO & WKC may not be supported).
On the downside it seems unlikely we will be able to send a team to the European Championships in Bratislava. Neither ETKB (KUGB) nor NAKMAS were officially represented (although John Bell is a member of KUGB, he  came as an independent and read out his personal plan for the future body). Molly Samuels-Leporte also read a document from the Sport Karate Group, who it seems would support any new body with a request for some autonomy but not full independence.
Full details will be published on the Terry Wingrove / Cyber-Budo sponsored site, which can now be reached at
www.englishkaratefederation.com
 
Next meeting - which I hope to attend - is scheduled for June 3rd


Karate England update 27th March 07
At the meeting on Sunday there will be a reading of KE accounts by Greg Durant. I am not invited to this meeting, which is for former KE members (association reps) only.
I shall however be at the following meeting which is an open forum to formulate a new body. full details will be posted on  the karate-england site, where a draft agenda is already published.

There has been no further update on the karateinengland site to date.


Blowing my own trumpet, on March 10th 2007 I (finally) passed my 4th Dan under the AMA Technical Panel. I am pictured left alongside fellow successful candidate, Terry Rooke, who passed 3rd Dan Shotokan.


Karate In England- Some Considerations For The Future
(n.b. this is a stream-of-consciousness document with some thoughts for consideration at the meeting in April. The reader is welcome to accept or discard any or all of it)
First of all we need to consider if we need a governing body, and if so why. This will partially determine the structure of any such body.
It is my contention that we do need a single governing body for a number of reasons:
• Karate is widely misunderstood (and often misrepresented) and there should be one point that interested agencies and members of the public can approach for information, advice and assistance
• Karate practice encompasses a variety of ethical and technical ideals. Disparate umbrella groups, self-styled GBs and other bodies mislead and allow confusion
• A central single body can set, and monitor standards (technical, ethical, financial etc.)
There has been some talk of two bodies, one to manage sport and one to cater for so-called “grass roots” karate. I believe this is inappropriate because: many  practitioners embrace both sides of the discipline, and a great many respected karateka who consider themselves “traditional” also support sport, and vice versa. By splitting the two  we risk potentially dividing the  lobby that is karate practitioners overall.  Even the sport of karate as endorsed by the major bodies (WKF, WUKO) embraces budo values.
We have already at least three groups beginning to form. In the early stages of KE demise one group considered themselves not to be represented by the “sport centric” and formed “Traditional Karate Great Britain”. Another split appears to be forming roughly along the lines of the former EKGB and ETKB/NAKMAS dipole. It is my earnest hope that all three groups, and indeed any outside of this triumvirate can be brought together in some form of common purpose. There is no reason, given the current association structure that exists, that all these groups should not continue within a single NGB.
It is important to consider the role of Sport England in these plans. If Paul Clifton is to be believed SE has an agenda to dissolve the Association structure. This, given the history, is I believe a fruitless exercise doomed to failure. If John Bell is to be believed, he already has an inside track to Sport England. This could be exploited. Conversely, Mr Bell is clearly aligned to the former Directors of KE. If SE require a viable business plan in order to resume funding, presumably that plan cannot include these guys at the helm, as failed directors will not be allowed (legally, or by popular concensus) to head a new company. Apparently, though, SE’s original brief to karate was “unify, or no funds”. At this moment “karateinengland” cannot deliver on this criterion.
There is of course the possibility of forging ahead with independent commercial funding. This has to be considered within the wider context of sport/education/ social policy generally. Whilst it is perfectly feasible to imagine a financially self-supported body, the implications of running independently of the Government agency responsible for what might be loosely termed “physical education” are not, in my opinion, viable.
A governing body needs to:
• Establish and maintain standards
• Inform and educate (members and outside parties)
• Lobby outside bodies for support
• Represent its members’ disparate needs
• Deliver services for its members
• Act as a police force to control non-aligned or non-compliant bodies
All the above must be fulfilled in an environment of transparency and propriety. I believe that the failure of the previous body actually supports the notion that the new GB should be a limited company. Although certain bits of information still remain to be revealed, due process means that there will be accountability and scrutiny. There is no point in trying to run even a benign dictatorship. As Tony Benn has said, one definition of a democracy is that the leaders can be got rid of. However Tom Paine, two centuries before, warned that a democratic government must ensure that the will of the people is represented. That means constant reference back to electorate (members). As I and others have said this has not been the case with KE.
Doug James has proposed a trimmed down governing body with a lean, effective management. I support his structure proposals with two exceptions. First of all if we are to get all of the karateka in England in one body we need to make it two things:
1) attractive to all (so they want to join)
2) so undeniably legitimate that karateke simply have to join (hence my assertion that we need SE recognition)
In order to secure the wide support that will give the body an immediate critical mass the sempai/kohai culture so ingrained in karate needs a universal sempai. This figure should be a non-executive President that commands the respect of the majority. Despite his publicly voiced reluctance to stand, I suggest Terry Wingrove would be a suitable candidate. This ex-offocio presidential post would serve to sense-check the decisions of the executive, whilst remaining non-political (in the party sense).
Secondly there should be a commercial officer. This post would undertake the duties that should have been fulfilled by Stel Grekos. Both a publicity and marketing  public face of karate, but also a creator of revenue. Terry Wingrove suggested in Coventry that there are two alternative sources of funding: SE and commercial sponsorship. Why not take both? Karate could accept the SE funding stream whilst developing its own sources of income. These may be Terry’s own £1.3M contributors, but could equally be other sources. In addition, there are plenty of other sources of revenue, many of which I prresented to SE when I was interviewed for the KE Commercial & Marketing Directorship. For example: merchandising-using sales of logoed goods at various festivals, tournaments, or via the website; courses; tournaments; a levy on all independent tournaments (as is currently done by the AAA for road races etc.); GB sactioned equipment sales; courses- many  independents already run successful seminar & course series- the Governing Body could run their own commercial seminars; and from time to time other commercial activities.
This financial independence and technical credibility would create a strong viable Governing Body, embracing BOTH sport and non sport, as well as the infinity of shades along that continuum.
 
(for those that desperately need it, the relevant parts of my CV are: 31 years in karate, sandan in two styles; columnist and sometime contributor to martial arts press; 22 years commercial and marketing management in electronics with a portfolio currently turning over $10M+; press officer formerly for EKGB and AMA, currently for AMA)
 
Martyn Skipper 8yh March 2007
 


KE Update 3rd March 07
The AMA are urging people not to support the "National Championships" on March 18th. There appears to be a body of support for this boycott.
Luke Scott has published a constructive, cogent  proposal via the karate-england website/ forum.
KE Update 3rd March 07
Apparenty  the old KE Board do not give credence to the suggestion that any new body with broadly similar interests that they might head, could be pursued for KE debts.
The old Karate England (no hyphen) site now links to a kareteinengland.org site that lists Shaher, Sherry, Charles, Lipinski and Ellis' organisations as supporters (as well as Steve Arneil's BKK, and Dave Sharkey's EKO). Effectively then this is the same old split that existed before EKGB wound up and begs again the question, "why didn't the other two organisations agree to dissolve?".
KE Update 26th Feb 07
 I understand that the maverick "England team" put together by Abdu has boycotted the Spanish tournament in support of Ticky.
 
Keep up to date on the Shikon and KU forums, and on the news page of the Karate-England website, still being maintained by Terry W and CyberBudo (see links page)


Karate England “Special General Meeting” Coventry 18th Feb 07 (notes updated 7th March 07)
I attended this meeting not as an association representative, but as an interested party, having
both applied for professional positions with KE (of which more later) and as a volunteer contributor to both KE and EKGB before and since.

Upon my arrival Abdu politely informed me that although I was not officially invited, I may remain if I did not speak, or draw attention to myself. Tough as it was for one as opinionated as me, I complied.

At the top table were Abdu Shaher, Bob Poynton, Andy Sherry, and Steve Arneil. Apologies were received from President Vic Charles as he was returning from holiday. The top table was later joined by Ticky Donovan OBE, national team manager. The meeting was informed that Leo Lipinski had tendered his resignation on 16th Feb 07.

Apologies for absence were also heard on behalf of; inter alia, Terry Pottage, Chris Thompson, Leo Lipinski, Paul Campbell and Pauline Bindra.

Bob Poynton welcomed the gathering and invited the meeting to thank Abdu Shaher for his contribution to KE in recent weeks and especially for his efforts in setting up the Redcar office. His calls for appreciation were met with decidedly muted applause. Bob, in his introduction sagely pointed out that if the politicos of old continued in their efforts to drive schisms between karateka, “then we will have failed”.

No clear agenda was presented, and Abdu was at pains to point out that this was not a formal AGM, but an informal opportunity to examine past mistakes and look for future solutions.

The meeting opened with the floor nit picking at KE statements and procedures in an apparent attempt to undermine the current management. Questions were asked about who the Companies House listed directors were (in an obvious attempt to discredit Abdu, Vic and Andy - only Bob Poynton is officially listed). Poynton, and others used the  “if it looks like a duck…”

principle to illustrate the fact that in law, if  one acts in the role of director, and is accepted as such, in effect the law would accept that position. (Abdu had resigned his directorship to take up the post of Performance Director). John Gilliland from the floor supported this assertion.

A colourful, animated character called Keith LeBihan from BKA pointed out that the statement in the handout sheets (which can be viewed at the CyberBudo website) erroneously claimed the Deloitte & Touche report on the Company’s finances was audited.

He warned that were this statement not corrected, Deloittes may be inclined themselves to sue.

LeBihan it is noted is apparently a big cheese in HM Revenue and Customs.

Throughout this introductory phase, and indeed for the rest of the meeting, Andy Sherry said almost nothing.

Poynton and Shaher repeatedly pointed fingers at the former CEO, Nick Halafihi - recently dismissed for alleged gross misconduct, claiming that his alleged misdemeanours were against the wishes of the Board. They did not respond to the floor’s comments to the effect that the CEO was their employee, and therefore they were responsible; though to his credit Abdu admitted that he had been directly responsible for Halafihi’s appointment, and conceded that in hindsight this

had been a mistake.

John Gilliland asked why, if the Board were made aware of financial irregularities in March 06, nothing was apparently done.

He also asked for details of the creditors comprising the total debt of £279 000.

Abdu replied that a Finance Director, Tim Shaw, was appointed in April 2006, and that his statement to the Board in May 06 indicated “all was ok”. Allegedly Shaw then went to Sport England, without reference to the Board, and warned of problems.

Brian Philcox jumped on the “let’s blame Halafihi” bandwagon and said that the board had been misled by Nick. Brian continued, he (Philcox) had volunteered for redundancy based on Halafihi’s counsel, to save the corporation money, and had been personally significantly out of pocket (and out of work) as a result.

After John Gilliland declared “this would not have been allowed to happen on my watch” (as FD of EKGB) Abdu went on to explain that investigations of finances had been hampered by the changing of passwords allowing access to computer records.

He explained that until these had been cracked, accounts were based on: extant cheque book stubs; World Class Bureau accounts; odd receipts & sundry documents.

Asked for the detail of the £279k creditors, Abdu revealed £20k (sorry your writer did not hear), £39k Temple Publishers (Paul Clifton’s Traditional Karate, Combat etc.), £40k Inland Revenue PAYE; undisclosed sums for office, computer equipment, Pitney Bowes franking machines etc.

Andy Sheridan (Mujushin) asked that the blame and accusations be curtailed in favour of a more forward looking view. Abdu thanked him from the chair and said that the later part of the meeting would be devoted to the future.

Terry Wingrove (CyberBudo) stood and noted 1) “I am not defending anyone” and 2) “I am not calling into question the integrity of English karate as a whole”, before continuing.

He went on to describe the “Whole Sport Plan” (WSP) as a “bureaucratic nightmare” and conceded that to comply with it a number of tricks would have had to be pulled. The Board was in effect constrained by the terms of the WSP because the promise of £5M depended upon meeting its various landmarks and metrics. Sport England was “emphatically competition-centric”, but apparently have now, in some Orwellian trick of double speak, changed the “C for competition” to “C for Community” and claimed it was ever thus!

Terry went further to say the WSP was “impossible to achieve”. He also implied (but did not state explicitly) that he believed the CEO was not competent for the job.

He concluded with the question “should we relinquish the WSP and SE support?” He clearly believed we should as he stated “there is more than one way to skin a chicken"

Aidan Trimble conceded that almost all public and private projects go over budget, and asked whether Sport England should not take some blame for failing to keep the KE management in check.

He wondered whether we have any cause to call SE to account over the spending issue (This writer agrees that SE must take some of the blame).

Terry Wingrove expained that he had met the Minister, Colin Moynahan, and pointed out that both Hockey and Judo are in similar financial difficulties.

John Howell in contrast observed that it seems bizarre that we should criticise SE as they hold the puurse strings and are therefore "the boss". He noted that despite historical differences, TaeKwonDo, for example seems to survive well under the SE/WSP regime.

Keith LeBihan pointed out that he and the BKA had voted against unification in the first instance, as they foresaw the short-lived existence of the unified body. He observed that should any new GB have the same management board that they would in all likelihood be pursued by the creditors (notable amongst whom are of course the Inland Revenue).

Abdu said that 4100 members had been registered since Nov 06. About 50% have not paid, and and the approx £2k has not been banked.

Discussions turned to the legal status oof the membership. It turns out that due to a legal dragging of heels, only one member association has officially been registered with KE. That is the AMA, represented today by Peter Allen & Kevin Hamilton-Stewart, two VPs. Some discussion ensued about AMA's status as "Shareholder or Subscriber", semantics that made little difference

to the substance of the discussion. Either way the AMA is required to sign off the liquidation of KE, and Abdu called upon Peter to endorse this and sign the documents.

Someone called Colin from, I think BSKU said  that the problem was essentially one of transparency. Why would members subscribe to a body without understanding and confidence of the management. He asked why we had to be  bound by Sport England for funding. He pointed out that karate potentially has other qualities that other Government agencies may support in the

interest of, for example, health and obesity concerns; social cohesion; crime reduction.

Wille Thomas observed that the WSP was an off-the shelf document which lacked karate specificity, and urged members to draw up a more appropriate plan.

John Gilliland noted that if SE had  delivered funds, KE would not have been insolvent. He did however also note that in recent months KE itself has not been providing any services to its members.

Shikon's Steve Rowe noted three points:
 1) Shikon's disappointment that, although it had voted for unification, KE was in such a poor
state so soon after inauguration
 2)Who is to blame? Sport England, Nick Halafihi?
 3) What is the way forward?

Abdu Shaher again stated that Nick H  mismanaged, and  did many things without board approval.
John G asked if we could pursue Halafihi for his prepaid expenses and other outstanding funds. AS replied that the liquidator could possibly do this.

Someone called Geoff asked whether, in the event of voluntary liquidation, the existing Directors could sit on the board of any new body. LeBihan replied that if financial impropriety could be proved, then they could not. Sport England could pursue this line, independent of Karate England. Lebhan stated that the individual Associations could not be held liable for any of the GB's debt.

Abdu noted that some £404k of Karate England money came from the World Class Programnme, a fund effectively ring-fenced for and by Sport England. It was not and is not possible for Karate England management to get direct access to this.

Ticky Donovan OBE noted that he is a creditor, to the tune of £20k and pointed out that he had had PAYE deducted from salary.

As the PAYE is now a creditor, could he as an employee be pursued for unpaid tax? The concesus was that he could not.

Mike Burnad asked if  there was any legal action pending against Karate England or any of its directors? Apparently 75% of creditors have to agree before a company is wound up.

John Gilliland said that KE can apply for voluntary liquidation. Alternatively any creditor could apply to appoint its own receivers. The inland Revenue could in theory apply to lift the "Veil of Incorporation" that protects the directors of a limited company, and pursue the indiviuaual in certain circumstances. He speculated that the member associations too might be pursued "because thet's where the money lies".

Peter Allen called into question the ability of the board to run a business (with a common, but profane vernacular turn of phrase pertaining to the manufacture of beer). Abdu noted that he had in fact run several sucessful companies.

Peter asked for members' views (a vote) on whether the AMA should accede to the board's wishes and sign the document  agreeing to liquidation. Abdu noted that this was not a formal, constituted meeting but an informal gathering of interested parties. The concensus was that legal advice needed to be taken before agreeing to such a decision.

Colin asked for a written statement from the Board outlining the legal position, the liabilities known and potential to the members, and a full and detailed list of creditors.

Terry Wingrove noted that while KE could be left to sort out its liquidation etc, there was nothing to stop a new body from being created.

John Bell, in his capacity as a member of Sport England in the North West described some of the funding and administrative issues surrounding  sport and explained how Government Policy affects - and is affected by- sport participation.

Steve Rowe asked John Bell if he could confirm that the original WSP, much criticised in this meeting, had originated from his office. Mr Bell denied this.

Bob Poynton Pointed out that the old Martial Arts Commission (MAC) had been a dictatorship and KE was "not run by karateka". Any new body would have to be dempcratically run, by practicing karate people.

Terry Wingrove then spoke about funding. He posed the question "Do we need Sport England?" He said that Michael Dinsdale  would endorse the view that WKF membership was not dependent on SE recognition. He revealed (first posted on this website some months ago) that financial independence was a possibility. He had written (but under NDA)  offers of some £1.3M of

commercial sponsorship from "bluechip UK companies" (based on certain conditions, but largely "without strings" in terms of any obligations upon any new GB).

Aiden Trimble asked how UKCC/ CLubmark staus would be affected if karate decided to run independently of Sport England. The meeting appear to bellieve that  UKCC and Clubmark recognition  was still being formulated and that  probably status would be unaffected.

Colin Howell asked for a written statement of Mr Wingrove's sponsorship proposals for consideration by the members. Having misheard part of Terry's proposal, Howell blamed "hot air" from the floor. Terry  misunderstood this as a personal attack and promptly walked out, saying he had worked